Is the Watchtower gearing up for another false prophecy?

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    Has anyone heard that the GB thinks the preaching work is finished?

    Something along the lines of all the recent changes are happening because Armageddon is coming in 5 years.

    Here is what I garnered from some people who have sources in the org in the last 3 days.

    "Yesterday I was talking to a source and they informed me that "the end" was coming in 5 years. That all of these changes the organization is doing so worldwide is because god is beginning to end the preaching work and that it's "well known" even within the GB. "

    "I had a recent conversation with someone who is very involved with the art/ teaching departments at Bethel. He intimated to me that he was recently involved in a meeting that included a GB member and was focused on a shift in the JWs public preaching message. A scripture was read from Ezekiel 33:32,33 and explained to mean that the message would no longer be a peaceful message "like a romantic love song" but rather a direct message of judgement. Apparently this change will be rolled out in the upcoming annual meeting or shortly thereafter and he said that it has led to a revision of the early editions of the 2018 magazines. He's a very reliable source and has "leaked" information like this to me before that has all turned out to be accurate. "

    If Bethel's prophets are this foolish, I don't think Jehovah's Witnesses will be around much longer. The internet didn't exist in 1975, this time, the backlash will be much worse.

    Has anyone else heard about this? Your thoughts?
     
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    I remember like 8 years ago, there was an email floating around that an elder had gone on stage at a convention in Hawaii and said the Governing Body felt the Preaching Work was coming to an end.

    He was supposedly reproved after this.
     
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    I have great doubts about the truthfulness of this information. On one side we have the Watchtower, which insists on the proximity of the end, and on the other, the facts which seem to indicate that they do not really believe in it, such as the new headquarters in Warwick. It does not look like an organization that thinks the end will come in five years.
     
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    Maybe they are escaping NYC first :)

    Nah.., I agree with you, they don't believe the end is nigh.

    Our discussion of prophecy is NON-existent, or so brief and surface level so as to have no effect. They know.

    The majority of my congregation are faithful people who want to serve Jehovah, and are there almost solely because of that; If you pinned down most JWs, I think they would admit that the 1914 / Watchtower stuff is falling apart.

    Or maybe I'm reading my own bias into it :shrug:
     
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    My brother! :) We miss you dear friend, don't disappear so long....lol I know I'm bias, I have favorites... :p
     
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    Ah! They would have built this center because Morris the third was suffering from asthma because of the polluted air of Brooklyn?
    Joking aside, it is true that most of the Jehovah's Witnesses are sincere. And in order to endure mockeries and persecution, go from door to door to announce a message that does not interest anyone… sincerity and faith are needed.
    Unfortunately, sincerity is not all. Most of the Jews trapped in Jerusalem in 70 were sincere, otherwise they would not have made this trip to be there. But, you see, they are dead. (I admit that the Christians who fled in the mountains died as well. Since 2000 years, it was to be expected!)
     
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    Maybe the GB have seen all the predictions concerning September 23, 2017 on internet and youtube? There are a lot of people hoping that day is the day when Revelation 12 gets its fullfillment and the 1260, etc days begin.
     
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    Hello Jan, I'm glad to read you again.
     
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    [7-15-15 WT - The great tribulation will not be the time to preach the “good news of the Kingdom.”The time to preach that message will have passed. The time for “the end” will have come! (Matthew 24:14) God’s people will boldly declare a strong message of judgment that will affect all people. The message may be that Satan’s wicked world is about to be totally destroyed. The Bible compares this message to hailstones when it says: “Great hailstones, each about the weight of a talent, fell from heaven on the people, and the people blasphemed God because of the plague of hail, for the plague was unusually great.”—Revelation 16:21. Our enemies will hear this strong message. Jehovah inspired the prophet Ezekiel to explain how a group of nations, called in the Bible Gog of Magog, will react: “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘In that day thoughts will come into your heart, and you will devise an evil plan. You will say: “I will invade the land of unprotected settlements. I will come against those living in security, without disturbance, all of them living in settlements unprotected by walls, bars, or gates.” It will be to take much spoil and plunder, to attack the devastated places that are now inhabited and a people regathered from the nations, who are accumulating wealth and property, those who are living in the center of the earth.’” (Ezekiel 38:10-12) God’s people will stand out as different from everyone else, as if they “are living in the center of the earth.” The nations will no longer be able to hold themselves back. They will be eager to attack Jehovah’s anointed ones and those who support them.]
     
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    Straight from their mouth.
     
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    If they don't believe the end is nigh. Then what does "the last days" mean to you?

    I think they literally believe they can, "force Jehovah's hand".

    Kind of like Satan, when he told Jesus to throw himself off a cliff to prove he was the son of God. So the GB, is figuratively going to throw Jehovah's Witnesses in front of a car, in order to force Jehovah to save them. If you get what I mean. They are going to try and bring the great tribulation upon themselves.
     
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    Thanks Baruq!
     
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    I think I know what you mean - where they create a situation to make prophecy fulfill itself.

    In my opinion, I think they attempted to do that back in 2006 with the campaign to distribute the flyer "The End Of False Religion Is Near!" It was the flyer that had the dark, sinister colours on the front. That was 11 years ago.

    In addition, the Australian Royal Commission has been advised that the WT may attempt to manipulate the situation to make it look as if the Australian Government is "persecuting" Jehovah's Witnesses.
     
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    Just wanted to say hello to Jan and John, as well.
     
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    Yeah, WTS will play victim.
     
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    In my opinion all of these "dates" are to burn people out on the concept of the conclusion, so as-to be lulled to sleep.

    I think a "new dawn of man is here" will be the primary deception going forward.

    Technology as god; Christians mocked, pushed down, back to the 1st century we go!

    Many are expecting the end / war to just break out from the blue, believers and non-believers.

    Yet "when they are saying peace and security" and the "great falling away" is when "sudden destruction" comes.

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    Then AFTER that deception becomes reality, say within the next decade or so, a war / collapse will break-out [the one people are expecting now], after which a worship of the beast (our present world system centered in algo-Europe) to get back to *this* current path of "enlightened man" without God.

    (pure speculation, but I would argue to basically ignore these dates, as they are deception indubitably)
     
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    quote - Many are expecting the end / war to just break out from the blue, believers and non-believers. Yet "when they are saying peace and security" and the "great falling away" is when "sudden destruction" comes. - end quote


    If it is agreed that the GT and Armageddon are two separate events and the GT precedes Armageddon, leading into it, then you have to ask just what the so- called ‘sudden destruction’ is referring to.


    The saying of ‘peace and security’ in which ‘sudden destruction’ soon follows is either talking about the outbreak of the GT or the outbreak of Armageddon.


    If it is in regards to the GT, then the saying of ‘peace and security’ is not a marker we can look to as the outbreak of the GT, therefore war can just break out from the blue.


    In regards to the so-called ‘great falling away’. If by that phase it is in reference to 2 Thessalonians 2:3 in which the ‘apostasy’ is said to have to occur first before the ‘the arrival of Jesus/day of Jehovah’ will come, that said ‘apostasy’ is not associated with the ‘sudden destruction’ if the ‘sudden destruction’ is connected to Armageddon (‘the arrival of Jesus/day of Jehovah’).
     
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    My wife and I had this exact discussion last night!

    The "sudden destruction", I would argue, is the initiation phase of the conclusion.

    Why?

    Look to correlate the attributes in 1 Thess 5 with other prophetic chapters:

    "times and the seasons"
    "coming exactly as a thief in the night"
    "like birth pains on a pregnant woman"
    "but let us stay awake and keep our senses"

    Very similar verbiage to Matthew 24 / 25; therefore, it's likely that this "sudden destruction" is not Armageddon, but the "death-stroke" initiating the rise of the Wild Beast and concluding period. Post-death-stroke the "sleeper" will have awakened already.
     
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    Did you convert your wife, or did you meet her in the truth? And once you told her about 1914, etc. How did she react? Is she still believing 1914?
     

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