Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by BreakTheWalls, Jun 14, 2017.
I never said it's a secret invisible manifestation.
If a teaching is untrue - it is what it is - untrue - do or should anyone who wants be faithful to Jehovah and Jesus try to make excuses for obvious teachings that are untrue?
To my simple brain the answer seems obvious. Not easy but obvious.
Sorry BreakTheWalls - I was speaking of the watchtower teaching on this and was not aimed at you.
I really don't have an opinion in this matter, but I could argue the other side. Even we ourselves don't have all the knowledge of scripture, nor did any group of Jehovah's people in the past. So can we say that a false understanding of when Christ returns invalidate the whole group?
As I've matured spiritually I've come to except a few things, and I'm not so sure accurate knowledge is the absolute key to survival, faith is. So that even the belief in the trinity may not keep someone from surviving into the new world.
99% of all JW's believe the 1914 doctrine because it's what they are taught, and they don't know any better, let alone most couldn't even explain it. So I've come to except that this really isn't an issue in survival, and Jehovah will straighten all these other matters out.
I don't mind my brothers and sisters not having full knowledge of chronology, and I've excepted neither do I, so we're in the same boat...
In my opinion...
I have about the same feeling about the GB.
I consider them as part of the slave assigned by Jesus.
Multiple illustrations show part will be faithful and part will be evil. Look at the story of the virgins, the faithful/evil slave. Jesus appointed some people to give food. I don't see too many others trying to organize the worldwide teaching. So i guess the GB is at least part of the slave and when Jesus returns he will inspect and throw out the part which is evil and assign the faithful slave over all.
It will be up to Jesus to do that. That's also why I try to be very careful to not judge the GB myself.
They are a slave and false prophets at the same time - weeds.
I'm just curious about your reasoning. If the entire GB is "weeds" why would Jehovah God support them? They are the ones taking the lead over God's temple. Wouldn't God see to it that they were eliminated from their positions?
"There is clear evidence that the GB is the prophesied slave."
THE prophesied slave.
I believe this is an individual application; like the 'man who found one pearl of high value'. etc.
There is no proof that it is one specific religion, that gets ALL the truth, because I know the Bible truth myself, and I know all Christian religions lack all the truth: WT included.
There are huge holes and mud puddles in their interpretation, and I can and others have easily proved this on THIS site many times....
And true religion is not always about just dispensing truth either...as Jesus said, sometimes its the way a religion treats the membership.....
“Do not judge so that you will not be judged.” (Mt 7:1)
“Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.” (Lu 6:37)
“Do not complain, brethren, against one another, so that you yourselves may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing right at the door.” (James 5:9)
Is it judging to call someone who lies, a liar?
Is it judging to call someone who kills, a murderer?
Is it judging to call someone who steals, a theif?
Is it judging to call someone who “presumptuously speaks a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 However, you may say in your heart: “How will we know that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” 22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him." A false prophet, when their prophecies do not come true?
When we use scriptural guidelines to determine if someone is a true Christian, we are not judging them. Christ has already judged certain traits and behaviors and plainly laid them out in the scriptures for us to follow as did the inspired Apostle Paul too.
What IS wrong is calling the Governing Body specifically, the Man of Lawlessness, which I have done in the past. For this reason:
1 Cor 4:5 Therefore, do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes. He will bring the secret things of darkness to light and make known the intentions of the hearts, and then each one will receive his praise from God.
Romans 14:4 “Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand.”
This is why i say now, that there is a man of Lawlessness in the watchtower, because I don't know who specifically encompasses the MOL.
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