Gog's attack- where and why?

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    This is a question I have been asking for long time and finally I think Jehovah God has let me understand.
    It should be connected to the prophecy about the woman that flees to the wilderness for 1260 days away from persecution. But what happen after that?
    Should be Gog's attack on them.

    So where is the wilderness that is prepared by God? And what does Ezekiel 38 reveal about this. Let's see:
    You will say: “I will invade the land of unprotected settlements.*+ I will come against those living in security, without disturbance, all of them living in settlements unprotected by walls, bars, or gates.”12 It will be to take much spoil and plunder, to attack the devastated places that are now inhabited+ and a people regathered from the nations,+who are accumulating wealth (DOING CATTLE in original text) and property,+ those who are living in the center(NAVEL) of the earth.

    13...will say to you: “Are you invading to get much spoil and plunder? Have you assembled your armies to carry off silver and gold, to take wealth (CATTLE in original text) and property, to seize a very great spoil?”’

    So if we let us guide by the literal original text the wilderness should be open landscape where the great crowd will work with raising cattle and there should also be gold and silver findings.

    So if we make it simple, we should find such a place. And sure enough there are such places on Queens Land, Australia.

    There are wast grass lands with cattle and abandoned gold mines. I think the GB should buy enough land there for the great crowd.
     
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    Interesting also that in original hebrew it say that the place they live on is at the NAVEL of the earth. Austalia fits that, like the navel is on the lower part of the belly, so Australia is also on a similar part of the globe, as generaly thought of what is up and down on the globe.
     
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    http://raregoldnuggets.com/blog/?p=529

    This link has an article about Rich Goldfields in Queensland, it say for example:

    "There were also many lesser-known goldfields that marked their own significant contributions in the past, but which have now been long forgotten. There still exist several gold locations that most prospectors might have not even come across to nor ever heard of."
     
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    Look at this. In a day this man in Australia found that much gold!
     
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    Hey Jan, what do you think of our Lords admonishment at Rev 3:18?

    "I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may become dressed and that the shame of your nakedness may not be exposed, and eyesalve to rub in your eyes so that you may see."
     
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    Hi Joshua, it is all right. First of all you should not be greedy, and secondly you should not rely on gold. But on Jehovah God. But that does not interfere with the prophecy in Ezekiel 38. To the contrary it will facilitate the fulfillment.
     
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    Maybe I'm not understanding. Doesn't Jesus say the gold is metaphoric?
     
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    I've been thinking about this thread for a few days, as well as the scriptures from Ezekiel 38 and Revelation 3.

    I don't have any special gifts in understanding prophecy so I'm curious about this question:

    How would I know what is meant to be interpreted in the literal sense and interpreted in the symbolic sense?
     
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    The best rule of thumb that has always worked for me is, everything is literal unless it can be proven as a metaphor.

    Peters vision of a sheet was fulfilled in Cornelius, making all believers today Israel. The temple is no longer physical, and that courtyard surrounded in Rev 11:2 and the temple mentioned are metaphoric of what they were originally to represent.

    Heb 8:5 "These men are offering sacred service in a typical representation and a shadow of the heavenly things;"

    The battle of Gog will be against the holy place, that is where the 12 loaves were kept representing in our day the 144k, while the lamp of the Word was to your left, and the prayers of the holy ones at the end of the room. In the end the attack by Gog will be against the remaining of Christs brothers on earth. Once the two witnesses are resurrected the world will know Jehovah is their God, and they will attempt to cut their cords from Jehovah by turning on all remaining of Christs brothers, sparking Armageddon.

    Psm 2:3 "They say: “Let us tear off their shackles And throw off their ropes!”

    Gods people are no more residing in the center of the earth then they are hoarders of physical gold. The text is speaking of the spiritual gold they amass at the end of this age, and the whole earth will be their possession. It is this Gog attempts to take... (Rev 3:18)
     
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    Hi sister Wallflower,
    I feel the same, it is difficult. I have been thinking about the flight for years. Since the WT has written about it. They have said we will get instructions from the organization when the time comes. So I have been meditating about this for long time and reserched and tried to understand which scriptures are connected to this event. So I felt the time is running out, and nobody has come with an explanation. So I asked Jehovah in prayer about which wilderness the woman is going to flee to according to Revelation 12. So after this I checked different deserts and wildernesses and I was surprised about all the advantages in Australia. And then I remembered about Ezekiel 38. I checked this up ones more and I was surprised how well the description fits the Australian Outback, especially in Queensland. So all the facts seem to point to that part of land. So just by asking in prayer about it lead me to facts that fit the prophecy. I think it is not just a coincidence that all this fit so well. Last week I wrote to the GB about this, so I hope we will soon hear something about it.
     
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    FYI
    Ma’gog. The name Magog is applied in Scripture both to a person and to a land or people. In Gen. 10:2, Magog appears as the second son of Japheth, in connection with Gomer (the Cimmerians) and Madai (the Medes): in Ez. 38:2, 39:1, 6, it appears as a country or people of which Gog was a prince, in conjunction with Meshech (the Moschici), Tubal (the Tibareni), and Rosh (the Roxolani). In the latter of these senses there is evidently implied an etymological connection between Gog and Ma-gog, the Ma being regarded by Ezekiel as a prefix signification of a country. In this case, Gog contains the original element of the name, which may possibly have its origin in some Persian root. The notices of Magog would lead us to fix a northern locality: not only all tribes mentioned in connection with it belong to that quarter, but it is expressly stated by Ezekiel that he was to come up from “the sides of the north” (Ez. 39:2), from a country adjacent to that of Togarmah or Armenia (Ez. 38:6). and not far from “the isles” or maritime regions of Europe (Ez. 39:6).

    The people of Magog further appear as having a force of cavalry (Ez. 38:15), and as armed with the bow (Ez. 39:3). From the above data, combined with the consideration of the time at which Ezekiel lived, the conclusion has been drawn that Magog represents the important race of the Scythians. In identifying Magog with the Scythians, however, we must not be understood as using the latter term in a strictly ethnographical sense, but as a general expression for the tribes living north of the Caucasus. We regard Magog as essentially a geographical term, just as it was applied by the Syrians of the middle ages to Asiatic Tartary, and by the Arabians to the district between the Caspian and Euxine Seas.

    The inhabitants of this district in the time of Ezekiel were undoubtedly the people generally known by the classical name of Scythians. In the latter part of the 7th century B.C. they had become well known as a formidable power through the whole of Western Asia. As far as the biblical notices are concerned, it is sufficient to state that the Scythians of Ezekiel’s age—the Scythians of Herodotus—were in all probability a Japhetic race. (Dictionary of the Bible by William Smith, pg 507, 1898)

    Who is Gog of Magog mentioned in the book of Ezekiel? (From The Watchtower—Study Edition | May 2015 ) - Interesting
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20150515/gog-of-magog/#?insight[search_id]=3adf7531-09aa-4a7f-878d-15ddec46ff79&insight[search_result_index]=2

    Life and Ministry Meeting Workbook | August 2017 TREASURES FROM GOD’S WORD | EZEKIEL 35-38
    Gog of Magog Will Soon Be Destroyed ( Soon? More guesses! )
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/...gog-of-magog-will-soon-be-destroyed/#?insight[search_id]=3adf7531-09aa-4a7f-878d-15ddec46ff79&insight[search_result_index]=0

    One major question is this: Did the prophesy of Ezekiel have a fulfillment? If so, when? Or, is the event in Revelation the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophesy? There are still many questions without answers about Gog and Magog. It is obvious that the answers will not be known until the events occur.

    Thanks to JIS for the maps, etc., with his Bible Questions. http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/bible-questions.524/page-85#post-24496

     
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    I felt I needed to strenthen my faith. So I have been praying Jehovah God to help me with that. And then he lead me to record to my walkman earphones the book Imitate their faith. Now this week I have listened through this book a couple of times and my faith has been strenthened by the different examples of faith described in this book. Especially the examples of people that went to a new place, for example Abraham.
    So if they could do it, I should be able to do it.
    We have been waiting for instructions where we should flee before Armageddon. Then examples in the Bible about moves God's servants made are very helpful. They often lived in tents the first years. And we know that in The Middle East it now and then is cold in the night. Sometime there is frost and even snow. So if they could survive in such conditions, I think Jehovah thinks we could also. So I think the flight will have such unconveniances.

    Interesting that when I have prayed Jehovah to let me understand to which part of Australia to flee, my mind at once went to Queensland. And just a moment ago it struck me that the place is called Queensland. How appropriate, the woman that is sort of a queen, flees to Queensland. That is fitting, is it not?
    Queensland is also very good, there you have water in the ground in the great Artesian Basin aquifer.
     

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