Demonism and the Watchtower

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    I just finished reading this.

    Key points.

    A writer of the Golden Age, now Awake, was possessed by Demons, said so himself, he later wrote the seventh part of the Finished Mystery.

    The Governing Body, is involved in some sort of spiritism, as they are literally communicating with spirit forces. Which is why they call themselves, God's channel.

    Bethelites were practicing spiritism via Ouija Boards and ERA or a radioclast.

    The book doesn't touch these points. But it is worth noting:

    Rutherford said the identity of the great crowd was revealed to him in 1935, he has claimed Russell is leading JWs from "beyond the veil", he has also experienced "flashes of light".

    A Book called, "Of Angels and Women" was written by a woman via "automatic/angel writing", Russell, later revised and sold it via the watchtower. This book, which was created via automatic writing, speaks of the times when the demons came down from Heaven, before the flood." Samuel Herd has been quoted as saying this is a fantastic book. Supposedly, the "real" author is a demon, who wants to repent.

    It seems more plausible now, that in 2 Thessalonians 2, the "lying signs and wonders" could very well be speaking of spiritism. For the presence of the man of lawlessness is through Satan.
     
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    What proof do you have of this
     
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    Their own quotes. Read the post I named "Another Conspiracy".

    How many times have they said, one of the 24 elders, revealed to him the identity of the great crowd? He has said, Russell was still leading them from beyond the veil.

    What does flashing lights mean to you?

    Lastly, reading "of Angels and Women" could be considered spiritism depending on who you ask. Which Samuel Herd has done.
     
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    I have read something else, that is disturbing, but it's authenticity is highly questionable, because it seems too good to be true. Like a lawyer finding direct evidence of a crime that has been committed.
     
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    If the source is not credible, why purport it as truth?
     
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    Don't you think it's a huge leap in logic to conclude flashing lights=demonism?
     
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    I haven't supported it as truth, hence me not posting it.
     
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    What about the fact that he said 1/24 of the angelic elders, this one being CT Russell, is leading beyond the veil?

    Demonism, spiritism, apparitions, they are all demons. He probably wasn't asking for "flashing lights", but he got it, and there is no way the Angels would do such a thing.
     
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    You're so focused on calling the religion demonic, but would Jehovah God have anything to do with an organization tainted by demonism? There's two separate tables: one for God and one for demons. I mean if you're concluding the organization was influenced by demons why would you have anything to do with it?
     
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    The religion is not demonic, I never said that. It is the one who is leading it, his teachings, he has been misled by lying signs and wonders. Rutherford even said, the truth is the truth even if it comes from demons. Think about that, why would he say such a thing?

    There is a difference between Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower. The Watchtower is the guilty party here. Jehovah's Witnesses are not demonic, they truly want to be worship the true God, but they have been misled by the wts.

    EXJWs even realize this, that is why they say JWs need to wake up, etc. Because it is the WTS doing the misleading.

    Marsh, how many times did Israel become influenced by demons? Baal and all the false gods, were just masks for Satan. They would have never worshipped these false gods if they new who they truly were. Yet, through all these trials with the Israelites, Jehovah still called them his people. Think about Manneseh, when he became king, did Israel lose their relationship with Jehovah, or did they just anger him? They are like a child that doesn't listen to their parent. But the parent doesn't disown the Child simply because he is disobeying.

    You should read this book. They invited the demons into bethel through their conduct. And because of it, they have misled 8 million people into believing Jesus already came.

    If you read Crises of Conscience, you'll understand how the "true" doctrines came about, and it wasn't through spiritism, but study in the scriptures. Ray Franz and the writing department really wanted to preach the truth. But because this man of lawlessness dabbled in the occult, Satan was able to interject his false teachings into the doctrine.
     
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    Well sorry Brother...but that was the biggest load of crap I've read for sometime....that had absolutely nothing to do with demonism...it was Quantum entanglement....the rife machine ..Abraham was so clever he was able to use remote frequencies...I have one of these machines....it's nothing whatsoever to do with demonism....if they had this going on at Bethel..it's because they were way ahead of their times..and Rife was honoured for his findings etc...but was brought down because of the pharmaceutical companies and the many billions of dollars they would lose.....also the grape diet does work..I know a very old pioneered sister who was annoited ...she followed the grape diet and cured her brain tumor.....she astounded the medical institution over here.....she probably remembered it from these old watchtoweres.......Now what I do agree is that the society should never promote or condone any medical treatment...which they no longer do...because you get idiots like this fellow who now promotes this absolute untruth about the society.....hey they don't need lies told about them...they have enough errors to carry on their own doing...

    But I will stand up for them here because all this is untruth....I actually feel sorry for the brothers of this time if this is what they had to put up with....
     
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    Chinese scientists use satellite to smash quantum entanglement distance record
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      Scientists have used satellite technology for the first time to generate and transmit entangled photons — particles of light — across a record distance of 1,200 kilometres on Earth.



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      • Chinese scientists have used a satellite to break distance record for distributing entangled photons
      • The experiment is the first time entangled photons have been generated in space
      • Because any change in one particle will be apparent in the other instantly, quantum entanglement has been considered a potentially powerful tool for sending secure information

      The feat, published today in the journal Science, is more than 10 times the distance previously achieved using land-based fibre optic technologies.

      The experiment by a group of Chinese researchers, led by Professor Jian-Wei Pan of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), takes us a step closer to achieving instant, unhackable communication.

      A cornerstone of quantum physics is a process called entanglement, where the properties of two particles — such as spin, position and momentum — intimately affect each other, even when those particles are separated by large distances.


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      "Quantum entanglement was discussed as far back as 1935 by Einstein, Schrodinger and others and it is still extensively studied as a fundamental question, but our knowledge has been restricted by the boundaries that we have been able to explore," said study co-author Professor Chao-Yang Lu.

      "This [experiment] has extended those boundaries by an order of magnitude.

      "Quantum science has also become a new resource as real as energy and is being applied to cryptography, teleportation and quantum computing. This new knowledge can be instantly applied to these areas."

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      Until now, quantum entanglement had been demonstrated over distances of up to 100 kilometres using optical fibres.

      However, the "noise" or interference rapidly makes the signal too weak to detect.

      This limitation is removed by going into space, said Dr Ben Buchler, a quantum physicist from the Australian National University's (ANU) Centre for Quantum Computation and Communication Technology.

      "Previously, if you wanted to distribute entanglement over a very large distance you're limited by the loss of photons in optical fibres, but with satellites you can go a lot further because you've only got to get through the atmosphere," he said.

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      After five years of development, the Chinese Academy of Sciences launched the world's first quantum satellite, called Micius, in August 2016.

      Late last year, the satellite, which orbits at a height between 500 and 2,000 kilometres above Earth, directed beams of entangled photon pairs at telescopes up to 1,203 kilometres apart between Delingha in Qinghai and Gaomeigu Observatory in Lijiang.

      When the photons were received, Professor Lu and his colleagues were able to demonstrate that, despite the distance between them, the individual photons at each location were still "entangled" with their counterparts at the other ground station.

      "[The satellite] sends one half of the pair to one base station on Earth and the other half of the pair to a different base station on Earth," explained Dr Buchler.

      "Those photons are entangled so then you have an entangled pair separated by a very long way.

      "And that's been hard to do."

      Dr Chunle Xiong of the Australian National University, who is in the process of developing Australia's own quantum satellite, said the result was a major milestone.

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    ERA is spiritism, and you should throw that device away.

    https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/164401/ouija-board

    How can you call Abrams a genius when the entire scientific industry has labeled him a pseudo scientist?

    What you have in your possession, is a highly advanced African ouija board.

    Just like the metal detector evolved from a simple wooden staff used for water witching to a real working device, the radioclast is the same (as in it evolved into an electronic device of spiritism) but ultimately failed because it is pseudo science.

    I have read about Abrams way before I had read this book. The author isn't the only person who knows its witchcraft.
     
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    Have you read the rife story brother...have you read the story of Tesla.....it is very complex....everything in this life is frequencies and vibrations...and anything can be misused....it is not an ouji board...and I would trust not any of the so called scientist of today...they are all crooked to the bone and bought out my big money....but I know I won't convince you...a number of witnesses have this...but some feel like you...it's a shame....
    I thank you for your genuine concern for me as a brother...but just gicpve it more time and study,,,,and you will see....
     
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    The Radioclast "Oija board" gadget that Rutherford
    promoted for thirty years is remarkably akin to the
    Rosicrucian ideas about the healing power of vibrations and
    the force of altruism.

    Secondly, there is no scientific proof that pressing down on your stomach generates radio waves and in turn make a machine respond with a y/no.
     
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    Everybody stole from Rife..the higher powers as in The medical field tried to buy rife out but he wouldn't sell because he knew they would destroy his findings so as not to disrupt the multi billion medical business...he was hailed as a genius and they held a honoury event in his name and claimed it would end all sickness and that he had cured the scourge of cancer....

    they soon turmed on him..and he died a pauper...his lab and papers and years of work were all stolen and destroyed ...many that worked for him..went on to claim his work as their own...im Guessing even this Abram fellow.....same story with Tesla....
    There is absolutely nothing demonic is rifes machines or theories.....it's all about ..frequencies, vibrations and energy........every living thing has its own frequency...every virus gives of its own frequencies....every parasite and there are many of them have their own frequency ..if you can match that certain frequencies..you can shatter that virus or parasite etc.....it's how a opera singer can shatter a glass.....it science....many stole rides i ideas and changed certain things...added their own modalities etc....changed the name. ....Is not Jehovah Dynamic energy....energy is being used via frequencies.....you can use a short wave radio..and if you tune into the right frequency ..

    ..I from Australia can tune into a certain radio station of my choice...but I have to match their frequency to do that....
    If I use a certain frequencies..I can also tune into DNA in a fingernail that is many miles away.....it's scientific. .quantum physics..or entanglement.....personally I tend to keep this quiet because this is what happens amongst Jehovah witnesses .
    What we dont understand suddenly becomes demonic.....but then again they burnt women as witches for being herbalists....years ago...nothing much has changed hey...
    This Abrahm fellow just stole Rifes technology....he wasn't the genius...rife was...

     
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    I do some volunteer work in my community. Another volunteer has one of these devices, and it works. They also have a patch they stick on their body. It helps balance the electromagnetic forces that we are all exposed to that encircle the earth. Before you deny it, get the necessary information to prove otherwise. I have recently studied these electromagnetic forces and they are not “demonic”. They are natural functions of our universe. And, especially of our home, the earth. Tesla found this to be true.

    “On Earth, flowing of liquid metal in the outer core of the planet generates electric currents. The rotation of Earth on its axis causes these electric currents to form a magnetic field which extends around the planet.”
    (https://cosmosmagazine.com/geoscience/what-creates-earth-s-magnetic-field)

    “The magnetic field is extremely important to sustaining life on Earth. Without it, we would be exposed to high amounts of radiation from the Sun and our atmosphere would be free to leak into space.” (https://cosmosmagazine.com/geoscience/what-creates-earth-s-magnetic-field)

    They were all designed as a part of our environment that “modern man” has dismissed because it’s free to everyone who wishes to take advantage of it. All that is required is to walk on bare earth with bare feet for about 15 minutes a day. Do not walk on concrete or asphalt. Do not wear boots or shoes. You will begin to start finding you feel better after a week or so. You reconnect to your natural home environment, the earth.
    Your body will be rejuvenated with the internal natural electromagnetic fields. God did not make man to live in heaven. He made man to live on earth. There was an old ancient who said, “The white man has become disconnected from his home. He has lost all understanding of his home. He cannot conquer it.”

     
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